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Monday Calls; 2011 Conferences
Monday – 04/04/2011
Traumas and past life patterns that impact our lives
Introductory Notes by Wynn Free
Channeled and Edited by Terry Brown
Transcribed by Connie O'Brien
Wynn: Welcome everybody - this is Wynn Free. This our
Monday night conference call where we have conversations with
what seems to be intelligences in other realms that are able to
look at us from another dimension and give, I guess what we would
call, an unusual point of view and reference point to how things
work. I’m with my co-host Terry Brown, who is the vehicle
for these voices.
The topic tonight is one that I think is of great importance for
all of us who are concerned about our own evolution as spiritual
beings who have taken on bodies - which is everyone on this
planet. Some people are aware of that; probably most people
are not aware of it, but the rules apply regardless.
We’ve learned that all of us have had many, many, many lifetimes –
most of us have had many, many lifetimes. I won’t say
that’s true for everybody. It’s possible that somebody new
has come into this realm that hasn’t had a lot of past
lifetimes. But, in all of our past lifetimes, we have incurred
what’s commonly called ‘karma’, and we’ve impacted our
connection with source, and with our ability to even live as
highly functional humans because of the things we’ve brought
forth from other lifetimes.
This is true whether you know it or not, and even if you don’t
know the particular lifetime or the particular lifetimes, a way to figure
out what has impacted you from past lifetimes is by what I call ‘reverse
engineering’. That is, when you see a pattern that keeps
repeating in your life that you don’t understand where it came
from. People think that pattern is them; like, I am this way.
When you start being aware of how things work in the big
picture, you can be sure that these patterns are something that
were established in what could be called your past track. That
can be good patterns or difficult patterns. Like, for example,
some people have had past track experiences where they were very
talented in a certain area, and in this lifetime if you have an
easy talent, if you have an affinity for something, then you will
re-establish that talent.
For example, in my case, I’m sure that I was a troubadour
in England a thousand years ago. When I was younger, I was
into electricity and physics and building things, and I thought
that was going to be my career. But, as soon as I had a guitar
in my hand and I started writing things, I can do this! I
became very preoccupied with writing songs and hitchhiking
around the country. I didn’t know I had a past life, but I
triggered into my potential for talent. It didn’t mean that
I could pick up a guitar and play it right away, but it did mean
that I could learn it easily, and it did mean that I could put
lyrics together easily. I said, “Where did this come
from?” Perhaps in the early part of my life, when I was more
technologically oriented, maybe I was tapping into Atlantean
lifetimes, which was a highly technological civilization.
Then, when I picked up the guitar, I was tapping into my past
lifetimes - probably there were more than one, but
the one in particular that I know about - when I was a
troubadour. My life actually duplicated the outer
manifestation of being a troubadour. I would travel around
from town to town, I would arrive into cities where I didn’t
know anybody, I would go play at the local pub, I’d get to know
people right away, I’d create a scene, I’d stay for a
week. Then I’d move to the next city. I learned this,
because years ago somebody did a reading on me and they told me I
was repeating this past life time as a troubadour, and that
that’s why I was doing what I was doing. The reading made so
much sense. It fit so many pieces together that I was sure
that it was true and it was actually my first experience in the
idea of past lifetimes.
Then I realized there have been times when I’ve been killed for
doing spiritual work, and Terry has the same memories. That
creates traumatic patterns that, “Oh, oh, If we do this work,
we’re going to get killed.” Then it creates (it)- what
happens is if you let that thought-form keep growing, it will
create the circumstances of that. All of us have those kinds
of patterns. I suspect most women have been plundered and
raped at one point or another, or abused.
There’s those of us that are male - and of course we can be
male or female. I don’t think that from lifetime to another
you have to repeat the same sex. Maybe we’ve been abusive to
other people, maybe we’ve been generals in armies, maybe we
were crooks, maybe we were whatever. Here we are, and
somewhere in us is all those tendencies and how do we deal with
Particularly trauma – trauma is something which is under the
surface, it’s like an under-the-surface fear, and anxiety and
anticipation and you don’t know why it’s there. You
don’t even know it’s there; it’s just part of your
So this is going to be a very interesting conversation with our
sources to understand “How do we know what’s inside of us that
comes under the category of trauma and how can we clear it?”
I know both Terry and I have discovered these areas in ourselves.
Terry, do you want tosay anything about this?
Terry: Well, to clear these patterns, it makes a great deal of
Wynn: Anyone on the phone line want to share their experience,
if they have one, of trauma that is impacting their life and they
don’t know where it came from? Anyone want to say something
about this topic?
Dee: I will, Wynn. It’s Dee Collier from Missouri. I
just want to say several years ago probably in the last ten or
fifteen years, I have developed a great fear for riding in cars
and vehicles, just out of the blue. I have no reason why I
would do that, and can’t figure out why. If I’m driving
I’m a little better, but I have such a fear of riding in a
vehicle with somebody else driving, it’s horrible, absolutely
horrible. I don’t know where that came from.
Wynn: Okay. Anyone else have something?
Chris: Wynn, it’s Chris. I want to say I think a lot of
my trauma – I don’t know if I should say this it’s not so
much physical, as I used to see spirits as a kid and demons or
whatever. I don’t know if you want to go this way, but I’m
telling you it’s part of my trauma I think, that I’ve had to
work through over the years on the paranormal kind of side and
I’d even include ETs in it, if that’s okay.
Wynn: You saw things that went bump in the night and they
scared the hell out of you.
Chris: Yes, ever since – a lot more to these memories are
coming back. They’re getting validated by my family so it
all happened, all these paranormal experiences I had when I was a
kid really scared me.
Wynn: It’s quite understandable, and it’s probably real.
Chris: It is.
Cindy: Can I add to that, too? This Cindy
in Peoria, Arizona because I actually was going to present
this very thing, curious if it was any kind of past life. I
just had a friend call me last night who has dealt with this from
the time he was four, and he had a horrible nightmare last night
and felt that these experiences were coming back. I told him
that I would put him into the love light for protection, but I
also had the same experiences. (They) caused great trauma
because nobody can validate what you’re going through. It
paralyzes you. I don’t know because it starts at a very
early age in life, if it’s carried over - or why we even
experience those things. So put me in.
Wynn: Give an example of the how the trauma affected you.
Cindy: Well, from a very young age when you can’t understand
what’s going on and you’re seeing things, my hair was pulled,
I was choked, and there’s no one you can turn to. Then, you
don’t know if it’s something in your head or if it’s really
happening but I mean it went on for years and years. Then, I
would shut off any kind of – I felt if I prayed, then they
would come around me. So, it stopped me from doing a lot of
things, you know being in the dark. Just little silly things -
it just paralyzed me from a child.
Chris: When you’re a child it’s really, really frightening
you know because your parents don’t believe you. They think
it’s just being a kid, it’s imagination. They would say,
“Okay, something happened, but that was just a
coincidence.” I’m just frightened every night in bed. I
have to sleep with the light on to keep these things from messing
with me sometimes and having to fight things off. It’s pretty
tough for a kid.
Cindy: Right. I still sleep with the light on.
Alice: My name’s Alice Simpson.
Wynn: Alice, hi Alice. You’re just checking in right?
Alice: That’s right, I’m just checking in from Wisconsin.
(I've been listening since 8:00.)
Wynn: Welcome. We’re just having a little bit of a group
discussion on trauma, things/patterns that hold people back.
Alice: Part of what’s been different for me, is my
grandmother was totally into the paranormal, so I was raised
appreciating and feeling at home with that part. Then, when I
was fifty that’s when I started to remember childhood sexual
abuse with other people, and part of my question is, “Is there
a way to quicken the clearing on a cellular level?” Because,
I just don’t want to stay in the past so much because there’s
life (out there to be experienced).
Wynn: That’s exactly what we’re going to be asking. Don
told me we could go over tonight, okay?
Alice: Okay. My husband’s here with me, because for my
fiftieth birthday I went to a workshop on abuse, abandonment and
neglect. We have two great children; I just repressed and
suppressed everything. I taught them about the
paranormal. That was not a trauma; that was where I felt safe.
Chris: This was what was all going on with me: my mom was an
alcoholic at the time; my dad was doing a lot of psychedelic
drugs and I think he might have been involved with the occult and
all this stuff, too. He didn’t live with us so that all kind
of played into what was happening in my whole life.
Cindy: Mine is the opposite. My family was very open to the
paranormal, and there was no abuse or substance abuse. It was
quite stable but I still experienced it.
Wynn: Again, remember some of these connections were very
likely made in other lifetimes and carried forth. Most of us
don’t know about our past lives. I happen to know a few of
them, but I know there’s many that I have not a clue
of. You carry the matrix forward from lifetime to lifetime.
Alice: I know a bunch of mine.
Chris: Remember Wynn, we had that call that one time - they
said I had spirits attached to me and they were into the light
and all that. I was thinking that was a big part and I felt
that clearing now. That’s why I’m changing, and being able
to grow and stuff now, because I’ve got all that negative
energies or attached spirits or whatever it was away from me, or
that karmic pattern or whatever it was, I don’t know.
Alice: My real big question here from Wisconsin is how,
since we’ve all experienced shock and trauma, there isn’t
anybody here that isn’t part of the shock treatment as far as I
can tell. How do we support huge groups at a time being able
to clear it so we can just stay grounded and love what is?
Wynn: That’s what we’re going to learn tonight I
hope. We’ll get some keys.
Alice: Praise God on that. I hope, too. Praise God on
that. I hope that will happen.
Wynn: Personally I have this one idea that by coming into the
conference calls and reading all this stuff over and over again,
it starts to move your own matrix consciousness up to a level
where all these negative things exist in your track. For some
people, it starts to clear. In my own little watching of things, there’s
two ways of clearing patterns – one is from the bottom up and one
is from the top down.
Alice: That’s exactly right.
Wynn: From the bottom up is like observation, maybe going to a
shrink, going to all these therapies that people have for
different things. There’s a workability to it. From the
top down, it means going above the pattern and bringing light
through the pattern so that you can heal it through – the word
I would use is ‘grace’, that’s the conventional word –
where you can clear something from moving your space above the
place where it was created.
Chris: It’s like a fight almost; it was kind a fight for me
for a long time, and now I’m kind of on that positive side of
it. I’m up; I’ve won.
Wynn: You’ve been coming into the calls a lot, and you’ve
noticed the benefit of that, right Chris?
Chris: Yes, yes, I’ve noticed that energy has been a part of
my change, tapping into that energy.
Wynn: I think the very step somebody has to take is to at
least identify the pattern because prior to identifying it, it
feels like you are the pattern; that’s who you are. Until
you know that’s a pattern that’s been imposed upon you by one
way or another, you can’t even begin to deal with it.
Alice: That is really a cool way of saying it: “I am not
Wynn: Yeah. You’re not the pattern.
Chris: The thing is, I’ve been told one of my past lives in
the 1800’s I was a doctor that developed an addiction to
narcotics, because I was so sensitive to my patients. It all
makes sense you know.
Wynn: Is there anyone else have anything they want to say?
Dee: Wynn, this is Dee again. I want to ask, can you
give some insight on identifying a pattern?
Wynn: Yeah, we’re going to ask about that, how does somebody
identify a pattern?
Dee: Okay, thank you.
Edna: This is Edna. I’m terrified of the ocean, water,
swimming – whatever water it is, I just cannot get
there. It’s a trauma I have been having my whole life.
Wynn: About being on the ocean?
Edna: Yeah. Something about the water that just terrifies
Wynn: That would probably be probably an indication that you
drown sometime, okay? Anyone else have something?
Caller: There is just one question about California because
I’ve got friends calling me saying they’re hearing channeled
information that it’s going to be gone by the end of June or
October. So that builds up trauma right there!
Wynn: That’s a question that should be asked on a Wednesday,
probably. One of the things that I’m learning, this is like
a big thing to learn, that you don’t have to be scared of
dying, that we go on. Once you face that in yourself, and once
you know how to die - which we’ve talked about on different
calls - then there’s not such anxiety about this kind of
stuff. We did ask our sources a question but they didn’t
say California was going underwater. They said, sometime in
the future they expect some kind of event like what happened
in Japan. They wouldn’t say when, but they said it
wouldn’t be a bad idea to live fifty miles away from the coast,
that’s what they said. That’s about as clear as we could
get it then.
Chris: Aren’t some of the peoples’ DNA being upgraded so
we can more withstand all these changes that are coming about?
Wynn: They say that a human can, if they’re upgraded, they
can withstand radiation. But, I don’t know if a human could
withstand a tsunami if it was coming at them. I think you’d
have to say, “That was it. Let’s go, I’m ready.” Who else has
something they want to offer besides the people who have
Trish: For some reason I don’t like to speak up a lot, but I
got to tell you guys this. You really make me feel better. I’m
64 years old. My best friend was killed in Viet Nam.
Wynn: Who is that speaking, who is that?
Trish: I’m Trish in Florida. I was from another city but
I moved to Florida when I was 13. Prior to that we spent
every day together. Never boyfriend and girlfriend. Ultimately,
he appeared three weeks after he died and I thought I was
crazy, scared the hell out of me. I never told a soul. I think of him a
lot, he’s always with me in times of stress and then I won’t think
of him for ages. Now that I’m older, I think about him a lot because
I know more about the spiritual realm.
I’ve had my past lives read. "Eddie" was his name. When we
were little we’d play house and he was always the soldier
coming home from war. Then I get my past lives read and he has
been a soldier in most all the lives we’ve been together. I
get goose bumps when I tell people this, because I was amazed
when the woman read one of his lives. I was a healer for the
King, and he was sent to me because he had a festering wound in
his left leg. She told me, I kept him alive for three weeks and
ultimately he died of a festering wound in his left leg and pneumonia.
Well, In Vietnam he hit a land mine when he was driving a Jeep
and his leg was shattered, his left leg, but he actually died of
a lung injury, which was almost similar to the past life. When
she told me, there was no way this woman could have known
anything about him. She didn’t know his name, all I sent her
was a picture. That has reinforced a lot of things in my
life. Just the fact when he appeared to me when I was twenty
years old; I knew he was gone.
Wynn: Who was it that appeared to you? What was their
relationship to you?
Trish: We were best friends. Never boyfriend and girlfriend
- maybe sixth or seventh grade we got kind of goofy with each
because everybody thought we were boyfriend and girlfriend. He
was like my brother to me then.
When he appeared to me, I went into my apartment and all the
drapes were drawn. I live in Florida – my apartment faced
south; it was three o’clock in the afternoon. My drapes were
closed; there was no way sun was shining in my windows. He had
nothing but just bright light all around him. All I can describe it as
stardust is what it reminded me of. Now I just realized it was his aura,
I guess. It’s just something. I’m not afraid to die anymore. It’s just
amazing, how when we really get into this. As I’ve gotten
older I’ve gotten more into it. We were raised Catholic, so
we have a lot of that stuff. It’s hard to get rid of that
daily Catholicism we had because we went to Catholic school and
basically from the time we were three years old, we were
together. I’m told he’s waiting for me up there now.
Wynn: Right. Did you ever read about Terry’s past life?
Trish: I think parts of it.
Wynn: She had a past life – I’m going to say this because
you said you were a Catholic and this is meaningful. There is
this idea that I have that the sources we’re talking to were
very much a part of Christianity, and very much a part of many
positive interventions from other realms into this realm. This
was a member of the Ra group. When I first was considering
this, I said, “Can this be true?” I said “Can this be
true?” for a couple of years.
There were a number of sledgehammers - one of them was
when I asked “Was Terry ever anybody famous in a past life?”
I really didn’t expect them to answer, because it’s not necessarily
in a person’s best interest to know that they were somebody
famous, because then their ego gets involved in it but in Terry’s
case, Terry as you probably can tell, has been fairly shy and fairly
reserved. When we first started channeling she was scared:
“How do I know this is positive? Do we really want to put this
out into the world?” When I said, “Was Terry ever anybody
famous?” They said “Look up St. Catherine of Sienna.”
Trish: Right! Now, I did read most all of it.
Female Caller: Cool! That is so cool.
Wynn: There was this fourteen year old girl who used to go
down to the local monastery, and the priests and nuns would write
down everything she said because they thought God was speaking to
them through her. When you read St. Catherine’s “Dialogues
with God,” which are available for free – there are PDF files
of it – it’s outside of copyright. You can buy it on Amazon. You can
see how they used Jesus - because it had to be
within the context of Jesus and Christianity for them to get a
message through – how they used that and still brought through
the wisdom through St. Catherine to help people make
It was amazing for me to read that, and if you
haven’t ever read it you might go (read it). I have a (web)
page, http://www.stcatherine.messageaday.net that I put up on
it. I put a link to St. Catherine’s “Dialogues with God”, which are available
for free. You can see how they use the Christ epic through St. Catherine
to bring through the wisdom and the guidance for the people at that time
who were following the Christian motif.
Trish: One of the lives - I met Eddie at the time of
Jesus. He was a Roman soldier guarding the tomb, and he had
lost his family - his children and wife. They were killed in a
ambush of some sort. We fell in love. That was one of my
lives with Eddie. It’s amazing. Maybe these people think
you’re crazy when you don’t really understand it all. I’ve always
been into this, even as children when we were little. We knew
you came back again. We had these little discussions… I don’t
want to waste all our time, but I love talking about this. And, I love
your thing, I listen a lot on Wednesdays. I love Edgar Cayce, and
other psychics, Ruth Montgomery. Anybody could read any of those
books, they’d love them. Read anything they can find from these
Wynn: Thank you so much. I’ll just make a mention – I
don’t usually say this because last time I said it took three
months to do it. We had all these things: Terry’s friend
John died; we were going through a lot of things. Readings – we’ve
done readings for people and they are really, really valuable. Edna
had a reading. Edna, are you there?
Edna: Yes, I’m here.
Wynn: How did that reading impact you? You had two
readings. How did you get impacted by those readings?
Edna: The readings were wonderful. It really
resonates. Many questions that I had I kind of knew, had a
feeling about, how things were in my life. I had a vague
feeling why it was the way it was and it was confirmed, it
affects my life positively. After that It just changed my life
--my attitude, the energy, everything.
Wynn: Thank you. In any case, www.terryreading.com
"http://www.terryreading.com/" is there, and you can read about
it. If you’re interested, just don’t rush me, that’s the
thing, because I feel like once we start the process… right
now, we’re probably clear to do some in the next couple of
weeks. I felt really bad because last time it took about three
months because when we do a reading there has to be a really
clear space in our lives that can handle so much energy. How
can I say it? It’s not just a reading – we become
affiliated energetically with the person and the sources and
we’re like the in-between agents. It can be a great, if you
resonate with our material a reading can really help in this
particular issue, I believe, for many of you. Thank you all so
much for sharing. Terry, is there anything you’d like to
share about this topic? You’ve spent a lot of time working out
past life stuff in different ways.
Terry: I’m here. I’m half in a trance right now.
Wynn: Okay, let’s start then. Go back into a trance and
….Father Mother God, we ask for the presence of the light to
surround and protect each person here, and any negativity be
taken to the higher realms of light and transmuted for the
highest good of all concerned. We see ourselves in the flow of
energy radiating from the center of the galaxy through our bodies
and into the center of the earth. Actually, from the center of
the universe to the center of the galaxy, we’re going up there
– and right now we invoke a group energy connection, a blending
of our energies; we go back to the place where we were one with
each other and the universe, before we separated. We invite
our sources to join with us as part of the oneness and we create
– we do this while maintaining the individual sovereignty of
each of our souls. We’re still separate while we move into
this place, we’re not losing ourselves. We invite those
positive, service-to-others sources to join with us as we create
a protected space that only the positive has access to, and
anything not of that nature must leave now.
Do we have a source present to answer our questions on
“Traumas – and past life patterns that are impacting our present
life in particular, in negative ways – they’re not all negative ways,
obviously. You have a talent, that’s not negative, but you
want to overcome parts of our ….
Terry: Well, it sounded like his phone went off right
now. This is Terry. The BBS audience can hear me but the
conference line can’t. I’ll just fill in for a little
bit. They (the sources) are really ready to go on this
topic. They are giving me information already.
Technical difficulties span the time from 38 minutes 22 seconds
until 48 minutes and 30 seconds. The program continues:
We’re on the air and we’re on the conference line.
Let’s just quickly call in the light again. We ask for the
light, we just go through it all. Bring in group energy; bring
in protection. We ask for the presence of our sources to
begin, however they would choose, to open this topic.
Ra’An: We greet you in the love light of the One Infinite
Creator, and we are delighted to be with each and every one of
you blasting though and sending love-light to eliminate
frustration over interruption and re-establishing firm connection
with each and every one on this line. We welcome each and
every person who will listen to the audio later, or read the
transcript. Give us a moment.
We speak first of all to Dee, and we note that there is trauma,
as you have mentioned, when riding in a car driven by others, as
riding in the car driven by another means less control. There
is not only the short past wherein automobiles have been
available on your planet, but there have been earlier times,
earlier planets, where automobiles have been available. We see
that there was an incident in your past where there was a
drowning automobile accident.
Now do not take our word for this. When you are riding in a
car, notice the specifics of your fear. At first when one
experiences fear from a past life pattern, it moves into the
individual’s life and is generalized, and the fear tends to be
of a broad nature. However, as you take the fear as an
opportunity to learn more about your past, you can zero in on
specifics. For instance, is the fear a little greater when the
car is turned to the left or turned to the right? Is there a
fear when in a particular part of the road? Is there a fear when
the car is moving through a particular environment, does the fear
get stronger? If the driver veers a little bit to the right does the
fear get stronger?
This applies to everyone on the line who has a pattern of trauma
based upon a past life incident. Whatever the trauma may be,
the fear can move into isolation of the specifics. The specifics may,
for instance, be a trauma where an individual was killed in a past life.
When a trauma of a current incident triggers a past life trauma
that is similar in some way to the (current) trauma, one can
isolate (it) out eventually by observing the specifics of the
trauma. When one gets to the basis of the specifics and
understands what the original trauma was and the reason for the
pattern, the pattern will fade into the distance and will no
longer create discomfort.
When one experiences discomfort, there is one way to tell that a
pattern or trauma from the past life, or this life, has keyed
in. Normally, there is some incident in this life at an
earlier age that has triggered the pattern. Something has
happened to the individual, an incident, wherein the pattern (is
set up and then) is triggered by similar circumstances. So,
when one looks in their earlier life, then they can find some
maybe terrifying incident or some scary incident (some injustice)
wherein after that there was a change in behavior as the
individual may be dodging the possibility that the original
trauma could happen. We think of examples here, although we
debate giving you an example.
Before we take a look at that, we will also comment that a number
of individuals on the line have mentioned incidents to do with
spirits. This is another layer on what could be happening. There (are)
a multiplicity of things that can be going on. The showing up of the spirits
and the scaring of someone when they are sleeping or alone by a spirit
showing up is not a pattern, it is a this-life, current, real-time incident
wherein one is making a connection with another.
This can be where a spirit has gotten trapped in this third
density realm (after death) and does not understand that their
life as they knew it was over, and they still attempt to carry on
in their past life circumstances and they attempt to scare people
or to control people or to just, in the confusion, attempt to get
help within their circumstance. This is not a pattern, and
usually the individuals who realize that there is a spirit there
are more perceptive, are more aware, and they can actually speak
to the individual (spirit) and if they are aware enough they can
converse with the individual (spirit) via telepathy even while
they are verbally speaking and can do the spirit some service to
offer them the opportunity for returning to the heaven realm
where the ghost or spirit can actually get help. The more
perceptive an individual is, the more they will be able to deal
with the situation, whatever the situation is.
Going back to an example of a situation of a pattern
(developing), there was an incident in Terry’s life when she
was six wherein she had gone to live in a foster home and her
parents had promised her a birthday party (and) to come home to
the natural parents and to have a party given for her sixth
birthday. She got picked up by her parents and taken to the
homestead and she, at the homestead, saw all her cousins and
their parents all visiting; they were all arriving and sitting at
a long table. As they sat at the table they were talking and
having a good time and Terry was very excited about this birthday
party, as she had been feeling isolated living in the foster
At the party, her mother gave her a tray of little glasses of
ginger ale and asked her to serve the people at the party. She
had not talked to anyone yet at the party.
In moving out on the porch, the porch had stones that were
angled. Her little foot stepped upon the stone and tilted,
whereupon the tray tilted and all the glasses fell over on the
tray and the ginger ale spilled up the front of her dress which
was her birthday present, a beautiful new organdy dress. Her
mother came screaming out and yelling at her that she had ruined
everything. So Terry explained that the dress couldn’t have
been ruined and it would probably dry and that she would go into
the living room and wait until it dried.
So Terry sat in the living room during the party and no one sang
her happy birthday, nobody wished her a happy birthday.
Then people began to leave at the end of the party and the dress
was beginning to dry. Then her grandmother suggested that maybe
they should give her some ice cream and cake, so someone brought
her some ice cream and cake.
Then it was time to go back to the foster home. Her mother told
her to take the dress off. Terry asked if she could take the
dress with her. Her mother said “no”, that Terry didn’t
know how to take care of the dress and the dress was ruined and
had to be cleaned.
Terry went back to the foster home. Now Terry was quite hurt
and angry, because this party had been promised to her.
During her life, how did that form a pattern? (Terry became
terrified of making mistakes, tried to be perfect, hated
criticism.) (Terry) would go to somebody’s house and they would
serve her tea and she would spill the tea and she had quite a
thing about spilling things. She seemed to not be able to hold
the cup without getting it a little bit spilled, or a lot
spilled. Then Terry experienced in this pattern, a desire to
actually spill things on purpose, to shower people with the
water… and so Terry observed this. So she began to isolate
out the different components of this. One of them was when
people were sitting around a table that was similar to the table
(the guests) were sitting (around) at the party, then it reminded
her of that, and she wanted to get everybody’s attention and
say, “Look, I’m here. I’m here.” Once she made that
connection, the whole thing faded and people sitting around a
table were just normal and they looked friendly, and no more of
this rage about “Look, I’m here.”
So, this is an example of how an incident which is highly charged
and has a lot of emotion can ride with a person and then they
forget that it’s there. Here, like a computer program with a
little glitch in it, it tends to skew somebody’s emotion(s)
(and self-concept) and the emotions leak through from the
incident even though they may not even remember what the incident
is. This can come from the past life, too, (normally there is
a trigger--a this life incident as a child.) So that one
incident can create a number of different factors and each factor
can be slightly different and then can be observed and can be
So when somebody has an uncomfortable pattern, they can use it as
an opportunity to be able to evaluate it and see “What are the
specifics of it? Does it involve a direction –
left/right? Is there a pain connected with it that only is
felt when the pattern moves in? Is there a pressure on the
head? Is there a pain in the foot? (Is there
anger?)” One can use this for evaluation to learn more.
What is the trigger? Is the trigger riding in a car and
driving by a river on the way? Is there any feeling of
suffocation or not being able to breathe? Sometimes the
patterns, the feelings, get stronger and stronger, and then it
seems like it’s very hard because it seems like it will never
be better and it seems to get worse the closer one gets to
isolating what it was that happened.
One might see pictures in their vision or they might dream about
it and have some knowledge come in dreams. One can ask for
dream clarification and then begin to write down their dreams
when they first wake up and get some more information from their
So these patterns are an opportunity to find out more and to then
detoxify them to eventually move them out of their focus so that
they can put their attention on what is important to them in the
current life. We hope this information helped. Do you have
Wynn: Somebody had a fear of water, and I would assume that
would be indicative that they had drowned at some time. Can
this kind of fear—as I understand it, we have thousands of
lifetimes—can it travel through thousands of lifetimes into
Ra’An: It tends to travel non-linearly, wherein an
individual may have the incident as we were speaking of in their
earlier childhood, where it can key in an earlier circumstance in
an earlier life, and not linearly. It might key in a whole
chain of incidents in their earlier track. It does not have to
be the last lifetime or the lifetime before; it might be the last
lifetime death and then 50,000 years before, a similar
incident. When one can find out more and then get down to the
first time that it happened; one could ask for the first time and
once they get to the basic on that particular incident, then they
will notice an easing of the symptoms and they can say
“aha!”, get their ‘aha’ moment and say “Oh you know, I
don’t have to be scared of that.” That’s what happened
and that was one small little incident in time. It doesn’t
happen all the time. Most of the time it doesn’t happen,
most lives it never happens, so they can zero in by observation
on the first time it happened and spotting the incident in this
life wherein something similar reminded them of it and that it
and it triggered the earlier floodgates of information to come
But, it’s not the last lifetime and the one before and the one
before. It’s a chain of similar things, not necessarily the
lifetime before and before and before, but it might be jumping
from one lifetime to twenty lifetimes to five hundred
lifetimes. Does that make sense?
Wynn: So, it’s kind of like we all have the pre-disposition
to certain patterns, but until something triggers it in this
lifetime (it doesn’t manifest). This probably goes for both
positive and negative patterns, like when I picked up a guitar it
triggered that troubadour lifetime. Although, if I never
picked up a guitar, I could have missed it– it wasn’t like it
was pre-destined. The negative patterns have to fall into
something that triggers the pattern from the past lifetime; but,
once we do, it’s triggered and now lodges and it needs to be
Ra’An: Right. That’s correct.
Wynn: Right. Now - often times people are very
unconscious. They go through their life and something does
trigger a pattern, probably when they’re young as it happened
in the case with Terry. Then, they live with that pattern and
they’re working with it, but they don’t even know it’s a
pattern. It seems like these patterns are operating at a
rather unconscious level. So, we think we’re the
pattern. How does a person dredge out a pattern from their own
conscious and know it’s a pattern and it’s not them?
Ra’An: When they feel uncomfortable about something, like
(when) a feeling comes up and they feel uncomfortable about it,
it doesn’t feel right. It feels like something’s wrong, or
they go into a rage and it doesn’t even make any sense really
that they should be in a rage right then. They really aren’t
in the current, present surroundings. Something has bled in
from the past that they are trying to deal with, and the logic is
with whatever happened in the past. Their anger is logical
from that standpoint, but from the current moment it is not
logical. It’s just that something has reminded them very
strongly of something that happened in the past and it’s even
subconscious and they don’t really know where it’s coming
from. It’s just all of a sudden there’s an uncomfortable
feeling and an illogical reaction to something, and a person
really is not at home with that. It’s like there’s a
contradiction between the surroundings and what they desire to
express. This could be one symptom of the pattern that one can
say, “Hey wait a minute!” and can begin to look at it.
Wynn: One of the things I talked about in my little
introduction had to do with trauma, with women who were sexually
abused over some period of time in the past. I would think if
somebody had that experience that when they try to be intimate
this lifetime it surfaces that experience. A person could have
had abuse way back when and they could have been a woman, I’m
assuming this is more for a woman, but probably in some cases for
men. There was a period of time when women were the
dominators, supposedly, and men were their slaves. In this
particular time period, when somebody had that experience, how
might they identify it and clear it, because that’s a heavy one.
Ra’An: There can be all sorts of variations of fears, based
upon all sorts of theories about things that could have
happened. It could be an indication that a person was brought
up to believe that sex was bad, or it could be that they had
abuse. There’s another factor here, too – if a person has
had abuse say in a past life, then emotions may come over them,
an urge to be the perpetrator, as they don’t like the position
of having been abused. They may then overreact, and then not
knowing how to correct (or control) the abusive situation, may
get the feeling of rage and desire to get control over the
perpetration and then they may become a perpetrator
themselves. That’s to try and handle and get control over
what they experienced before.
Sometimes if a person has an illogical urge, then they have been
perpetrated against in a similar manner, and they’re attempting
to become the top dog and to somehow deal with their emotions in
a more powerful way. If that is the case, and then they (can)
observe themselves and begin to zero in on what has happened to
them, it can even eliminate those feelings of desiring to
So, the logic makes total sense when an individual
has experienced something and their reactions are based upon what
they have experienced in the past and make sense based upon that,
although in current time their reactions don’t (appear to) make
sense in their current situation; the people involved may not be
the right people. The situation may be totally different. Like, they zero
in on the wrong location and the wrong time, and wish to act out of that
previous situation and time to somehow deal with something that has
gone by and (has) not been dealt with at the time.
Wynn: In other words, if somebody had been in a circumstance
where they were abused, instead of having a fear of intimacy and
just avoiding it, they may use intimacy as a way of having power
over someone else to protect themselves from being abused.
Ra’An: That’s correct.
Wynn: What comes to my mind is I’ve read this and most
people probably don’t even know this, but there was some period
of time in the ancient past where the women were the dominators
and men were their slaves. In recent times there’s a been a
thing where men totally dominate women and it’s like being part
of a collective and a general pattern. Is that connected?
Ra’An: It is an individual thing where although in the time
when women were the dominators, they did have some abuse toward
the other sex – there were rituals that were very barbaric. This would
set off patterns within individuals that were abused or abusers. It is
an individual thing based upon what the individual experienced.
Wynn: Let’s take a situation where a person did something
that we would call negative. Maybe they killed people, maybe
the stole from people. They didn’t do that in this lifetime
but they did it in some past lifetime, perhaps in excess. When
they come into this lifetime, how would that background of
experience impact their consciousness in this lifetime?
Ra’An: One of the things that might happen is if the
individual stole things, let’s say that they, in Roman times,
walked into a store and stole bread and got in trouble for it;
got in a whole lot of trouble for it. In this lifetime, then
they walked into a store and they got the cameras rolling and
taking videos of all the people in the store and they may feel
guilty, like, “Oh the shopkeeper going to think that I stole
bread.” Or, “The shopkeeper’s going to think I’m going
to be a robber.”
It’s also an individual thing because one can be picking up the
thoughts of the shopkeeper. The shopkeeper may be sitting
there thinking, “Oh my gosh, somebody might rob me” and then
somebody might walk in the store and they don’t even have the
history of being a robber or anything but they pick up the vibes
from the shopkeeper, “Oh my gosh there’s going to be a
robbery” and then the person feels guilty. Or, say they
don’t even have a history of abusing people and then they walk
into a store and a woman is very over zealous about protecting
her child and is putting out the thought, “Oh my gosh somebody
might kidnap my child in here” and then somebody else might
pick up that thought and think, “Oh I feel like somebody’s
thinking I’m going to kidnap the kid.”
It comes down to all of us in our realm and you in your realm and
individuals within your realm, we are all connected and so
thoughts bleed through. It is typical for people to be very
telepathic, and it is an anomaly within your realm that they rely
so much on verbal, but the thoughts do bleed through.
If somebody had been say a murderer in a past life, then in the
current life they might feel that they deserve the other side of
the coin, as like to get murdered. Then they may pull it in on
themselves. So there are all sorts of variations here.
Wynn: I see. Once you identify a pattern like this, you
say, “Okay I was a murderer and now I’m going to pull in a
murderer” or “I was drowned and now I’m scared of water”
or “I was hit by a car now I’m afraid to drive in cars,” or
“I was abused and now I’m afraid to be vulnerable.” And
“I’m scared,” or at least, "I have to dominate." Once a
person can identify the pattern, how do they free themselves from
Ra’An: One thing would be is if a person experiences a
traumatic incident to detoxify themselves, debrief themselves,
find somebody to tell about it and work through it until they can
let it go. Then, they do not carry it with them.
Another thing is, if a person hangs around in the third density
too many lifetimes, then they do not get a chance to debrief; particularly
if they’re living and then they die in a traumatic way and they
do not go back to heaven realm to get detoxified, to get
debriefed, to let it go and to re-establish their own sense of
health and wellbeing, and they can build up traumas that then are
hard to handle if they move from lifetime to lifetime without
going back to the heaven realm to talk about it, to be debriefed
and to again know the love of the heaven realm.
Wynn: Another question here is Grace – I have this idea that
maybe this works with the Elohim better than the Ra group, I’m
not sure. I know we’re getting a lot of wisdom of the
understanding of this realm; I have the hypothesis that the Ra
group is really helping in this understanding of this. In the
element of Grace, let’s suppose a person becomes aware of a
particular pattern and they pray. They’ve learned to connect
with higher realms, and they pray for the release of that
pattern. Can that work? How does that work?
Ra’An: That also can work in that Grace is a certain section
(of the Elohim) and it is in charge of Grace. It is a certain
section within the Elohim group. Upon praying, one can have
Grace move in and can move little sparklets of energy to break up
the connections that are holding the pattern in place and (the
individual) can learn to let it go.
The reason why it is difficult to let a pattern go is because there
is an incomplete communication (and perhaps a misconception
has been formed) within what happened and (in) the trauma, and
the individual keeps on trying to communicate (and perhaps labors
under some misconception that skews their reality of things and
keeps the pattern going).
For instance, in the incident with Terry and the spilling of the
ginger ale, she wanted desperately to communicate – she was at
the party. She wanted desperately to connect with the people
at the party, to have them wish her happy birthday; to have a
gift given to her, to give and take. She had been looking
forward to it for so many weeks before the party and then it all
went wrong. There was this tremendous communication that
didn’t get fulfilled (and the misconception that she ruined
everything, and then there was rage produced by the injustice of
it.) So that is the reason why these patterns hang around,
because there’s something incomplete, (something misconceived
(Another example might be) perhaps a person in some way got
murdered and they were in the middle of something in another
life, and they suddenly got murdered. They had all these
things going on, and suddenly nobody could talk to them or they
couldn’t talk to anybody and that’s why there is this
tremendous, “Hey what happened?” It’s like there was
just this big incompletion, so when somebody dies (suddenly) then
there is more of a chance of an incompletion and the more of a
chance that they keep trying to work out the completion of
whatever it is and hanging around in the realm.
Like the incidence of the person that owned the complex of
apartments and was totally connected. This is one of the
incidents that we had come up that we were dealing with in one of
our readings. This individual just kept going around and
trying to talk to the people in the apartments; he owned it and
this was a matter of pride for him that he owned these apartments
and then suddenly he died. He was hanging on and connected, so
connected with his pride in owning these apartments that he
couldn’t let it go and he just kept walking around to the
apartments and trying to talk to the people and they didn’t
talk to him. He had this huge incompletion; he wanted
everything to keep going the way it was, but he was no longer
alive to make it happen.
That’s one of the reasons that these patterns hang on and
people hang on to something from the past because something
was incomplete. If you can see it, then you say, “Oh well
that’s what happened. Okay, now I can see that these people
are really friendly.” The whole thing will re-arrange in
time, and there can be a completion when somebody listens,
somebody heard, somebody made the completion happen of the
communication. Somebody heard.
Wynn: Chris talked about the idea of you could use the word
‘haunted’ where you have discarnate beings connecting with
you. I would assume, when you start talking about discarnate
beings, you could talk about everything from a discarnate being
that’s a ghost to some evil reptilian that is hooking into
somebody’s energy. In those cases, would there have been –
I’ll just give a whole number of things -could there have been
a past life circumstance that allowed that openness; for example,
somebody was a witch and they were calling in beings, or a
satanic worshipper calling in beings; or maybe drugs or alcohol
in this lifetime – or even in another lifetime? Maybe a
person wasn’t doing it this lifetime but that they opened up
the portal to other dimensions and they were reaping the openness
of that portal in this lifetime. Can you give some insight on
Ra’An: If a person gets into the satanic energy, then they
are opening up a portal to many unhappy beings that are trying to
figure it out; and drugs can lead into something wherein an
individual is letting themselves go and is not taking
responsibility for their own space and time, and then can open up
to other beings to come in and take over and not even necessarily
satanic beings but other discarnate beings that are around and
are looking for opportunities to again express themselves in the
Wynn: Thank you. How would one close these portals if one
became aware of it and say, “Okay I don’t want this
Ra’An: One could become familiar with frequencies, as each
thing has it’s own peculiar frequency and to learn to move out
of the offending frequency and in moving out of the offending
frequency, they can close the portal and the opening for the
connection of a negative being to close terminals with them (or)
to move to connect with them at a certain frequency.
This is how synchronicities happen - when an individual is
putting out a certain energy of connection, then they will
connect at the frequency of where they are at and what they are
looking for. If they are looking and moving at an energy or a
frequency that is the same frequency as a negative being, then
this is a non-linear connection and one in doing this can connect
with a negative being that is clear across town. This is like
a GPS homing signal that the negative individual can hone in on
the person and can find the way to meet them, or to somehow
synchronize with them and have a connection and move it into the
Wynn: Thank you. Can music open up portals into both
positive and negative realms? There’s a lot of music of all
kinds of different natures, and some of it is very cacophonic and
angry and discordant and other (music) is very beautiful and
harmonic. Can music impact the ability of a person to connect
with both positive and negative stuff from other realms?
Ra’An: Music frequencies have – we search for the words
– ‘harmonics’, and the music frequencies all resonate
within themselves. Now, there could be a connection between a
certain negative frequency that individuals with a certain
negative frequency may begin to love the music. It is unlikely
that the frequencies of the music would exactly match the
frequencies of a particular negative person’s orientation to
hook up negative people (but it is possible). We look at say
certain hypnotic drug music. It could put a person into a trance
that would allow opportunity for other entities to move in and
also could lull the person into taking drugs and to move further
into the state of oblivion.
Wynn: Thank you. Suppose a person has sex with someone that
has an entity or attachments. Can those attachments move from
one person to the other, or even connect with both of them if
they have an intimate connection?
Ra’An: An individual in having sex indiscriminately can move
into a situation where an individual can send out attachments or
entities to the other person to help them to make connection with
that person and that person can have their judgment affected by
this and can be negatively affected by that, yes.
Wynn: Okay, thank you. You know what, we’ve gone a long
time tonight. It’s 7:48. Don said there is nobody coming
on after us so we could go on. We did, and I think we’ll
bring it to a close right now, at least the question-asking part
of it. I thought maybe we would take a moment, few minutes of
silence. We could all ask for help in a prayer-like way for
whatever traumas we have that are impacting us. We could also
take a moment right now – let’s send our light and love to
Carla Rueckert to Carol Sabin who is in the hospital in England,
and to anyone else who is paying attention to our group that
needs some healing. Let’s do the healing first,
okay? Take a moment…
Let’s take a moment and do the radiation from Japan, the
radiation and the negation of its affect and however it can be
worked on to deconstruct its negative impact.
And, let’s just do ourselves and let’s take our patterns,
whatever patterns we have that are obstacles for us and put the
light around the pattern. Love the pattern and release it and
ask that it be lifted from our matrix if that’s possible.
Thank you so much for holding for the energy and being on the
So the exercise is: let’s get rid of all our (difficult or
negative) patterns in the next week. Maybe we should do a
workshop one time where people can talk about their
patterns. Just by talking about it, they indicated that’s
really a good way of helping to release things. I’ll hold
that idea open. Send me an email if it’s something you think
would be helpful to you and that will encourage me. Thanks to
everyone – thanks, Terry. Thanks Gjis for hosting. Thanks
BBS, thanks the transcriptionists – yeah.
Gijs: Thank you Wynn.
Wynn: Me? Okay, thank me.
Chris: That was an awesome call tonight.
Wynn: Was it?
Wynn: I look forward to reading the transcriptions; I think
there were a lot of things there, there was really a lot of stuff
in there. So thank Terry for letting us go over and being on
the line and holding for such a long period of addressing this
Gijs: Thank you very much Ra’an.
Chris: Thanks, Terry.
Wynn: We’re still on BBS, so thank Don for letting us go
over. We’ll see you Wednesday. Over and out.
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