Happy New Year with Carla and Wynn
Monday 12.31.2012 Wynn: This is December 31st, 2012, Wynn Free and Carla Rueckert. This call is going to be centered around this discussion that Carla and I have been doing for the past couple of months, where we have been taking parts of the Ra Material apart. We’re trying to interpret them.
Most people, when they first look at the Ra Material, find that it’s over their head; is that a way to say it, Carla?
Carla: It’s a little intense.
Wynn: It’s intense; it’s complicated. It’s concepts that are hard to assimilate; they’re so far out of the way we normally think about things. Let me say, just before we got on this call, Daphne and I got into a big argument. She said, “How can you do a serious call on New Year’s Eve? It should be a party!” Daphne, are you there?
Daphne: Wait a minute. Hey, am I here? I have to speak up for myself.
Carla: I can hear you.
Daphne: I didn’t say we should have a party; I said…
Wynn: You said it should be a party.
Carla: So let’s put on our hats.
Daphne: I said that this should be a time of celebration and acknowledgment. I didn’t say just, “Let’s have a party”.
Wynn: I think a time of celebration and acknowledgment is a party.
Daphne: You missed Christmas, Wynn; so I was thinking, “Well at least we can get New Year’s Eve in.”
Wynn: Carla, I’ve re-named this segment of our Monday shows “All in the Family with a Twist”.
Carla: Daphne, do you remember that weekend that you and David [Wilcock] were recording?
Daphne: I certainly do.
Carla: And David spent the entire weekend….
Daphne: My mother was always trying to drag you out some nice restaurant.
Carla: Yes; well she was dragging us out to see pretty houses. Then, we’d end up, because she was thirsty and hungry, we’d go to a restaurant, because we were out of food; because I had a broken foot and I couldn’t cook.
What I was remembering about it was that David spent the entire weekend, except for the last day, getting the software ready. You and your mom and Vera and I were stuck. We were just trying to think of things to do to pass the time. It was amazing.
Daphne: You’re absolutely gracious.
Wynn: Go ahead, Daphne.
Daphne: I was re-calibrating my remembrance of being there at the house. I remember David was a late sleeper; he’d stay up most of the night and he’d get up around noon-time. He was in his own zone there.
Carla: Yes, he had his own little sleep-cycle thing going; then, he had to do his journal. He wasn’t ready.
Daphne: Right. He and my mother got into a little bit of a—it wasn’t an altercation so much. She made some comment and David came back at her with some sarcasm and she didn’t know how to handle it. After that, I think she was a bit afraid of him.
Wynn: Okay guys; do you see what I mean by the “All in the Family”?
Carla: But we had a good time, didn’t we? You made some pretty music and your mom and Vera and I set out and saw a lot of pretty houses.
Daphne: We had a wonderful time, Carla.
Carla: We had a good time, yes.
Daphne: I’m sorry I didn’t get up to see you when I was in Atlanta this last pass through; but you never know. You never know.
Carla: You never do. Well, God bless your mom. I’m glad I got to see her.
Daphne: God bless you, Carla.
Carla: Thank you sweetheart. God bless you.
We love each other. That’s the thing about families; we do love each other.
Wynn: Yes, we do.
Carla: If we didn’t love each other, we wouldn’t bother arguing, right. We’d be going “Whatever”. So let’s have celebration; let me think.
I do celebrate you Wynn and you Daphne and everything that makes us come to this moment. Thank you Lord for being here and for being able; we’re finally past that 2012 whatever thing. I’m so glad, because I felt the changes; I felt the calibrations going. I felt the things that were happening. But, nobody that was looking for something to happen in the physical was satisfied but I was thrilled to death and I think a lot of people are that we’re working in the spiritual. We’re working in the metaphysical and did feel those wonderful new energies not just come in, because they’ve been trying to come in for some time, but being able to come in without any real resistance because it’s time, you know. It’s now time.
We are getting those beautiful energies if we just knew how to use them. The problem always is that it takes courage to face yourself. With these new vibrations comes the ability to process a tremendous amount of information. Some of that information is about our shadow-side. And, a lot of people don’t want to look at the shadow-side.
That’s really the deal is if you get the shadow-side going, you just say, “Okay; I love you. I love you, shadow-side. Let’s deal with it; let’s go into it. Let’s go right to middle of it and come out the other side and hug the wolf.” And the wolf is no longer a threat; the wolf is part of us and we can set that wolf to doing positive things.
Terry: Well said.
Doug: We can barely hear you here in the office, barely, barely, your guests.
Wynn: All of us, me as well?
Doug: No, you’re fine. It’s just the lady speaking was so light it was almost impossible to pick up.
Carla: I’ve got the microphone right at my mouth, so I don’t know what else to do.
Wynn: I’m just going to have to dominate the show.
Carla: There you go, Wynn.
Wynn: And, go back to the…
Carla: My volume is all the way up; is that better?
Wynn: I hear you okay.
Doug: It is minorly better, but very little so; very little. You’re just, you have one of those vocal tones.
Wynn: We have a very dynamic team here, and a very dynamic audience who has chosen to spend New Year’s Eve with us.
My momentous New Year’s Eve, my most momentous, was when I was in high school. I had a date; one of my few dates in high school. I dropped the lady off and we had been drinking; one of the only times I drank. I went on to have a head-on collision with a guy that was more drunk than me. I haven’t gone out on New Year’s Eve since then.
Caller: Wise choice.
Wynn: Yes. But I’m going to right back into the Ra Material. I was just going to give one personal note that I don’t think I ever shared.
Those of you who read The Creator Gods of the Universe Want to Talk to You book know a little bit of the story about how this started with Daphne and Terry. Daphne and I had been together for six months and she left.
It was at her aunt’s house. I guess it was four months later. Her aunt is very protective, a spinster, a very nice lady. She’s a former doctor who had graciously taken Daphne in, who was under what we call negative attacks when she was with me and couldn’t figure out how to get out of them.
Some months later, Daphne and I were talking and she said, “Maybe what we were doing was really important; maybe we should get together.” So we picked a weekend that her aunt was out of town. I flew to Atlanta, picked Daphne up and we said, “We should go visit Carla on the way back”. David was at Carla’s house at the time. I had never met David up to that point, although we had talked writing the book, working on the book.
We got to Louisville, Kentucky, which is where Carla is. Actually, it’s a suburb of Louisville, right, Carla?
Carla: That’s right; it’s called Anchorage.
Wynn: We were driving by Carla’s house. It was probably about 10:00 p.m. or something. We were going to get a motel and Daphne said, “Let’s go say hello to Carla”. She’d already been at the house and recorded some stuff there. I said, “No, no, no we can’t go there without calling.” Particularly, David was so protective of his privacy and I felt that he would feel invaded if we just showed up without making some prior arrangements.
Well, Daphne jumped out of the car and knocked on the door. I don’t think David talked to me for the rest of the visit there. We were staying at this motel and we were doing sessions in the motel. And in the sessions they kept saying, “Make a good connection with Carla; you and Carla can work really well together.” At the time, I was fairly intimidated by Carla.
Carla: That’s hard to believe.
Wynn: Your reputation preceded you. If you ever look up Carla on the internet you will see so many people have been influenced by her work; so many people have called her work the ‘epitome of channeled material’. They kept telling me, “Make a connection with Carla”. I would say that at time, I didn’t feel worthy of this kind of connection we’re having now. I didn’t feel worthy in general.
For those of you that stay tuned to these calls, you find out that really, they have me doing this because I’m a really good example of a clod who pushed himself through his own obstacles. I’ve learned how, still learning, to let this light energy flow through me and clear these patterns that I had been going through my entire life.
On the level of really creating affinity that I thought we would have when we went to do that visit: it didn’t happen.
Carla: Except it did happen with us because I remember you and I sitting—we went out to a dive. I loved this place; it was a place where they had good music on the weekend. It was, at the time it was just a dive; that’s all there was to it. I loved it, though. You could get a great burger there. You and I sat down and we had burgers and we talked. We had a great time. I enjoyed it; I really did. That’s what I remember about it.
Wynn: I remember that; I remember that.
Carla: I didn’t catch the angst you know. I was happy. David was walled up in his room, like “I’m so scared! He’s going to come up and get me.”
Wynn: We love you David.
Carla: Well, we do love you David; but, let’s face it; that wasn’t your finest moment.
Wynn: He’s done a fine job being out in the world and rattling a lot of people’s cages.
Carla: Yes; Kentucky just wasn’t his town. He really needed to get to Hollywood where he could sort of expand a bit.
Wynn: Right, right. I was concerned. One of the things I was concerned about was that in that period of time, even though there were all these sessions coming through Daphne that were just amazing, I said, “Maybe this is something negative that’s trying to take over, that’s trying to intrude itself.” I was afraid Carla might think that and David, I’m sure, did think that at the time.
I didn’t feel like a confident person talking about this work or the channelings. In fact, I was kind of like sharing it with Carla and kind of looking for some kind of validation through Carla and I was getting it. She was giving it to me.
Daphne, since we’re talking about this is there anything you want to share about that experience?
Daphne: You know, being in the middle of it as I was, along with you and Terry, it wasn’t easy being in it. First off, where do you look for stabilization? If you were to look in traditional kind of western forms it was hard. I was experiencing so much of the negative greeting-type stuff which is extremely hard to deal with. You do ask yourself, “If this is so good, why am I feeling so bad?”
Having come through that, being on the other side of it, I see that it’s—David always used the word and maybe Carla uses it too, ‘catalyst’.
It was just tremendous catalyzation. It’s interesting that Carla brought up what she did about making friends with your shadow, because indeed, I think that is what’s on the plate for a lot of people right now. It’s all us; it’s all us, everything we experience, it’s some aspect, it’s some facet.
Depending on where we hold our integrity and how much we’ve been able to resolve and synthesize polarity inside of ourselves, we can choose where to stay in balance; where to stay in that point of equilibrium.
It’s been quite an arduous journey. I’m glad that part of it is kind of behind me. There are always new challenges; you never stop evolving, from what I’m understanding. It just continues to spiral on and upwards.
What do you think about that, Carla?
Carla: When I was doing the Ra sessions, I had constant psychic greetings. I was in a very stable situation. I wasn’t at all floating; I was in a stable situation with both Don and Jim. There was a tremendous amount of love; I was very settled. I knew that this was a wonderful situation and these were the golden days. I just couldn’t wait until I did the next session because my baby Don was just—you call a six-and-a-half foot guy a baby, it’s obviously, it’s from my point of view—but I loved him so much. He was a melancholy man; he thought this planet was crazy. He thought he was in an insane asylum. He said all you could hope for was a private room.
I never saw him happy a single day, except when we were doing the Law of One sessions and he was happy and chirpy. It was wonderful; I was just so happy to do it.
But, it was the kind of psychic greeting that wasn’t just, “Okay, you have physical problems now. All your physical problems are being emphasized.” I had a lot of physical problems in the first place and they had a ball with all those. It was things like, I would be out walking and I’d look both ways to cross the street, see nothing. If somebody hadn’t been with me I would have walked into the path of truck I didn’t see.
Or, I would be out walking and I would not be able to breathe. I thought to myself, “Okay, it’s a psychic greeting; all I’ll do is eventually I’ll lose consciousness. Then, they won’t be able to do this anymore and I’ll be alright.” I was just walking along; things were getting gray. Apparently, they let go because I refused to be afraid. So, I didn’t actually have to lose consciousness. But, that was the kind of psychic greeting that I was getting.
I didn’t care; I just didn’t care. I wanted so much to see Don happy one more time. Like, if it killed me I didn’t care. I loved that man with my whole heart and soul and mind and strength. I just wanted to see that man happy one more time.
That was the – I don’t know; what do you call it, when it’s two things at once?
Daphne: Dichotomy, paradox?
Carla: Coincidence? Jim’s here and he said, “Coincidence”, but it was to make him happy at the same time I was being tremendously challenged. Let’s put it that way.
Wynn: Dual motivations.
Carla: Yes, right. And, the motivation that always stuck with me was the motivation of love. That’s why they couldn’t get at me; that’s why, no matter what they did, they could not stop it. Because, I loved and I was totally focused on love, loving that man and loving the work I did. Since he died, it’s still there. For one thing, he’s with me every time I tune up to channel he’s with me. He’s part of the Holy Spirit that I call to myself for balance when I channel.
For the other thing, you can’t imagine how many people, like you said Wynn, all over the world have written in to say, “This material has made such a difference. Thank you so much.” That just lifts me up for the whole day. I’m so thankful that I have been able to serve. That’s all I ever wanted to do and it’s all I ever do want to do. That’s why I’ve been at this clap-stand for so long is that it’s so rewarding and so blessed. I do feel totally blessed here.
I haven’t been able to channel for the last couple of years because I’ve been taking pain medication.
People say, “That’s okay, you’ll be alright”. I know that when I tune up to channel I’ll just go to sleep; that’s the pain med. I cannot hold a really deep focus. One of these days, my back is going to heal up and it’s going to be sewn up. I’m going to be able to do without the pain medication and we’ll get back to it. But, for right now, it’s such a blessing that things I have already done have continued to touch new people. New people are writing in all the time. That’s just such a blessing.
I’m always moving from love; that’s the whole deal with me. It’s hard for me to imagine anybody being intimidated by me. I’m a little Episcopalian lady, used to be a librarian. I’ve done some work in this area, yeah. And, I’ve been for a long time, uh huh. I’m still me and we’re all bozos.
Thanks Wynn for finally getting through that because we work better when you’re not doing that intimidation thing.
Wynn: Thank you. It’s alright.
Carla: That’s where you were.
Wynn: I find really interesting the fact that I’ve gone through so many things in this life and really gone through and I won’t say conquered them, but mastered them. I don’t think you ever conquer things like they disappear. But, you learn how to…
Carla: No, they’ll come around again.
Wynn: You learn how to work around them; you learn that they don’t block you. They’re just there and you skate around them. It gives me a lot of wisdom in order to be able to help other people. I think when you’re sitting behind your obstacles, there’s some part of you that thinks you can just make them vanish and everything will be okay. That’s not been my experience. They don’t vanish; they get smaller and you work around them. Then you amaze yourself because you realize that you can do things that you couldn’t do before.
The topic tonight, we decided this because we’ve just gone through the December 21st date, is to take some of the quotes from the Ra Material and try to turn them into language that makes it really easy for everyone to understand.
This material, if it’s accurate, which I think it is—one of the things that convinced me that it was accurate was that when I first started reading the Ra Material and the Wilcock material, my mind kept saying, “Can this be real?”
When Daphne came into my life and started bringing through messages, I kept asking about all this material that was coming through Carla. They would answer and give exactly the same answer to a question that was coming through Carla. It was like getting a second opinion. It was just dropped in my lap.
Carla: That’s a lot of validation, wasn’t it Wynn?
Wynn: That was a lot of validation. And, it was a little scary. It’s one thing to sit there and say, “Here’s what Ra says and you can make up your own mind”. But now, here’s what Elohim says and they’re saying exactly the same thing. They’re even confirming who Ra is. I said, “Man, this is a lot of responsibility. How do you deal with this?”
I guess this is how I’m dealing with it now; this is now ten years later from the time it first happened for me. Actually it’s twelve years; it was twelve years ago that I ran into Wilcock and discovered Carla and ten years ago that I ran into Daphne. I scratched my head for about five or six years, saying, “How do you do this? How do you put this out into the world?”
One of the reasons having the kind of conversation that the four of us are having right now is important is, because I know when you just read material and you don’t know the people you wonder if the people made it up or if they had an agenda. When I was younger I read lots of spiritual books of people having miracles and I said, “Do those things really happen? He has such a sincere face.” Yet, I had no experience in my life that this is possible.
So the manner in which we’re sharing this now, some day there are going to be people who have that attitude. They’re going to listen to this part of the talk and they’re going to say, “Those are real people. And they’re all validating each other’s experience and they have no agendas.” That’s the importance of this kind of conversation, this part of it because now we’re going to move into talking about the actual meaning of this shift.
Most humans think of themselves as a body that’s on earth that’s going through their struggles on life. They don’t think of themselves as an evolving soul in a body that’s going through thousands of lifetimes, perhaps, of which this is one and that they’re going somewhere in all these lifetimes.
The Ra Material explains this process in quite great detail. It gives you a whole other perspective on how to view what seem to be your little life on earth with all its dilemmas and all its problems and all its challenges from a much greater vantage point.
So what is this shift? I’m going to put this in my words; I’m going to put it in my simple Wynn-language and say that the whole Universe is made up of one energy; this energy recombines. What that energy is somewhat of a mystery. Some people call it the unity field, some people call it prana; some people call it shakti. Some people call it qi. [In traditional Chinese culture, qì (also chi or ch'i) is an active principle forming part of any living thing]; some people call it Holy Spirit. Even the rocks, the mountains and our bodies are different configurations and concentrations of this energy.
As I understand it, the energy starts at the center of the Universe and then moves through the Universe and everything is constantly re-created via this movement of energy. The energy, as it moves through the Universe, is impacted by everything that it moves through before it gets to hit planet earth.
Some of you may be familiar with how astrology works. In astrology, the movement of that energy is explained how it goes through its modifications as it passes through the fields of the planet based on their various locations. We have this energy moving through the planets and they’re in the locations that are described by different constellations. The quality of the energy changes by the time it gets to the earth.
Then we have something called DNA. DNA is programmed by this energy. So when the energy hits the DNA of the newborn fetus, it programs the DNA so the DNA now holds a mini-microcosm of the entire Universe at the moment of birth. That’s called your astrology chart. In fact both Daphne and I, earlier in our lives, were astrologers. It was one of the things I did when I was a physics major that made me say, “This really works”, because I couldn’t believe it worked. I couldn’t understand how a planetary position, millions of miles away, could affect life on earth. Now, I understand it in a big picture.
Aside from the planets that this energy moves through, the energy is moving through galaxies. It’s starting at the center of everything and it’s moving through the galaxies and the Milky Way. Everything it moves through is changing its characteristics. With planets, the characteristics change rather quickly, especially with the planets that are closer to the sun because they move faster. In fact, with the moon, it changes the fastest, because the moon goes through its cycles in a month really quickly. Mercury goes through its cycles in—how long, Daphne, is a cycle of Mercury?
Daphne: Oh, 88 days around the sun.
Wynn: 88 days; Venus is longer. When you get out to Pluto, it becomes a matter of years. So, now when we’re moving through galaxies, the quality of the energy changes over thousands of years. So it’s much harder to measure on the earth, because within your lifetime it doesn’t shift; it stays relatively the same. It is shifting, but certainly not like the Moon, Mercury or Venus or Mars.
These galactic changes in what controls this energy have cycles. They have a 75-thousand year cycle and a 25-thousand year cycle. And December 21st, 2012 was a galactic configuration that created the maximum energy to ever get to this planet in 25,000 years; actually I think there’s a larger cycle that’s 75,000 years.
Because that’s happening, it’s created a lot of change in this period of time. The change can be looked at as catalytic; it can also be looked at as opportunity. For those of us who are becoming aware of how this works, there’s certainly a huge opportunity here that you can take advantage of if you know how.
That’s why this is so important. What we’re talking about is not just your success in this lifetime and your ability to meet your obstacles in this lifetime; we’re talking about changing your path to possibilities that will affect all of your future lifetimes from this point on.
That is what the Ra Material, one of the things, that all this information about this cycle-end and this shift is so valuable about, because it’s telling us; it’s teaching us how we can change things for our future. You can’t figure that out just being in a body as a human because the cycles are too long. You may not see the changes in a profound way but you will see changes. You will see changes in your life, but you won’t realize how profound the significance is of what’s going on.
That’s my introduction; I hope that made sense.
Carla, anything you’d like to add to that?
Carla: Yes, there is, because I think that if it were just a matter of changing and changing, it sounds as though there weren’t actually a purpose there. And there is. These changes have been seen over and over again. We’re out towards the edge of the galaxy, so there have been a lot of experiments in how these changes work that have been looked over by what the Ra Material calls logii, or we could call them suns or masters of a certain amount of ability to add to the basic plan of the Creator to make things in a certain way.
By the time they got here, there was an experiment that said, “Let’s maximize freedom of will so there is really not much help from spirit as far as changing over from living a life in the box to deciding to live by faith and living a life very much out of the box.” Ra described this basically as a school of souls. We described each density as like a grade; we’re in third grade. We’ve been in third grade for 75,000 years.
The culmination of this 75,000 years of the density of choice, which is what the Ra Material calls this particular 75,000 year cycle, is that we make a choice for either service-to-self or service-to-others. We make a choice for either love or fear. Depending on what choice we have made, we can go on to fourth density positive or fourth density negative. Or if we haven’t made a choice at all yet, we can repeat third grade.
In fourth grade—it’s very tempting to get onto fourth grade, because you know in a new grade you get all kinds of new information. And you get new subjects and new—it’s just fun to get into a more mature spiritual environment and have just lots of more choices on the menu as to how you’re going to serve, which is the basic question always in this school of souls.
So here we are, in our last incarnation in third density. The sun is going down, has gone down, on third density. When we die we will be walking steps of Light to see how we have done in choosing to serve. How polarized have we gotten? Each step of Light is a little bit more dense with Light than the last.
At one point, unknown to us when we’re walking the steps of Light of course, we go from third to fourth density. All we know is we’re just walking the steps of Light; that process is guarded carefully by the angels and by other entities, planetary entities and also entities from outside the planet to make sure that nobody gets lost. Everybody is safe walking these steps of Light.
You stop where the Light is too intense to go forward any more; this is all the Light you can handle. If that Light has crossed over into fourth density, you’ve graduated. If you’ve graduated in the positive sense of service-to-others you’re going to be able to stay right here on earth and enjoy fourth density earth. If you’ve become a negative entity who has graduated, you will go to another planet which is enjoying fourth density negative.
If you’re going to have to repeat the grade, you’ll go to another planet also, so that you can repeat the 75,000 years of McDonalds. That’s not actually so bad, really; it’s nothing like what everyone has talked about in the various world religions of hell, Gehenna and all of those things. This is not a philosophy which discusses heaven and hell.
Basically, the Ra Material suggests that you can create heaven where you are, or you can create hell. That’s just in the way that you take hold of things, the way you live your life, the choices that you make. If you make them all for love, if you make them all for positive values, grace, beauty, joy, thanksgiving, if you live that kind of life, if you’re encouraging that kind of emotion within yourself, then surely you shall graduate. That is heaven, right there. But you can have that here even before you die and you get a whole new shot at a DNA that can handle fourth density light.
We can’t really handle fourth density light very well. What we can do, is use it to the best of our ability. But you know the wonderful things that are waiting for us in fourth density aren’t ours yet, because we’re dragging around—I should say that differently—we’re dancing in a physical body which is a heavy, chemical set of reactions. The body is a chemical still and it takes all the food that we eat; it creates energy and it dumps the stuff that it can’t use. The next incarnation that we have, if we’re going on to fourth density, we will have a Light body. There will not be a necessity to have a chemical body.
So we will be able to dance with ever so much more lightness and freedom. It’s going to be a joy; I’m looking forward to it. But, there are things going on here in the meantime, so I’m not saying, “Let’s get on with it; gee I wish that I were on with it now”. I don’t. I want to be right here; this is the boot camp that I chose to be part of and I want to work hard and do the best I can to lighten the consciousness of planet earth. That’s what we’re all here for.
Go ahead, Wynn.
Wynn: Whenever I hear you say, “It’s just a matter of, are you choosing service-to-self or service-to-others; are you choosing love or are you choosing fear?” When I hear that, this thing goes off in me that says, “I don’t think people understand.” When you say it’s a choice, I don’t think, in many cases, people experience how to make a choice. I wanted to clarify how I think that choice is made into manifestation.
It’s not like one day you get up and say, “Okay, I want to graduate. I’m going to be service-to-others. Thank you, God – I’m ready. Take me when you want.” I think that the way it works is you have to take your day and you have to look at all the opportunities you have in your day to make decisions.
You have to start making the decisions that create caring for others. You don’t have to do this perfectly; you don’t have to be all mushy-love; I’m service-to-others; what can I do for you? Can I help you? You just have to do it 51%, so to speak, that’s what they say. And that qualifies you; slightly more than half.
Carla: I’ve got a good example of that, Wynn. Do you want to hear it?
Wynn: Go ahead.
Carla: My uncle Marion, who was one of the most spiritually mature people I’ve ever met in my life, was driving on the expressway one time. He was passing an entrance ramp and a guy was bombing up the entrance ramp at top speed. In order to avoid a crash, Marion had to jump on the brakes with everything he had. I got a sprained wrist out of it, because I was in the back seat. At that point, they didn’t have seat belts in the back seat. What he said, as he was braking heavily to let this guy in, was, “Okay buddy, there’s room for you, too.” He made the choice of love at a time when there didn’t seem to be any love in the situation.
Wynn: Right. There are so many ways that everyone has those opportunities every day. It could be as simple as walking down the street and picking up a banana peel so someone else doesn’t trip on it. It could be calling your aunt, whom you haven’t seen for twenty years, because it would cheer her up. It could be knocking on your neighbor’s door and saying, “You know what? It’s New Year’s. I made you some cookies, here.”
You have to do these things with no guile, no pay-back but for the pure joy of doing them. As you do them, you start building up points. You can’t even do them to build up points, but that’s just what happens. You start building up an assimilation of points, and before you know it you’re doing things second-naturedly. You’re starting to understand the joy that comes back to you from doing those things.
You don’t realize it when you’re doing it. Picking up a banana peel may not feel like a big, joyous experience. But, it’s a point. All these points start putting little acupuncture into your system where there was darkness. Before you know it, you’re feeling differently; your energy patterns are different.
How do you choose love over fear? On some days, you’re going to wake up fearful. I think that yes, things can happen in this realm. Things can hit the fan. If they do, you’ll deal with it when you get there. In the meantime, if you anticipate it, you’re only going to be in fear, wherever you’re going. We’re all going to die; whether we die sooner or later, we’re going to die. If you’re sitting around waiting and worrying about when you’re going to die, you’re in fear.
I thought one of the really good examples of choosing love over fear was that scene in the Titanic, where everyone was jumping into the lifeboats crazy, screaming. There was this band playing, and they were happy-go-lucky. They all died anyway, but guess which ones graduated? Remember that scene, Carla?
Carla: I didn’t see the movie, but I heard about it. Yes, that sounds like a beautiful example.
Wynn: It was a beautiful example; they looked crazy because everyone else was panicked. I think that’s a really good example of how it looks and how you actually implement love over fear and service-to-others over service-to-self. It’s realizing you don’t have to be perfect and you don’t have to curse yourself every time you operate out of a lower motivation because everyone will; everyone does.
Carla: Absolutely.
Wynn: You just need a little more of the positive than the negative to keep moving forward in your evolutionary path. That’s how I would look at it. There was another thought that came to my mind that seemed important but I think I lost it. Oh well; if it comes back it comes back.
So, it’s kind of a self-discipline to observe yourself and not judge yourself.
Carla: I want to share something here because that’s perfect.
I’ve been in bed for almost three years now, can’t get out; I lost the ability to walk because I’ve had more damage to my spine since the two operations. There’s no way I’m going to get on operated on again; I haven’t healed from the second operation in twenty months. I don’t think I’m a good candidate. So I can’t walk anymore.
But, if I tune myself, if I see myself starting to spiral down into how am I ever going to walk again, well, I’m not going to walk again, blah, blah, blah, I start counting my blessings. It’s a positive choice to tune yourself up to the day; I start counting my blessings. I’ve got so many of them.
I sing some of my favorite hymns because I’m an Episcopalian lady; I love hymns; some of my favorite prayers. It’s so easy to let yourself spiral down. It takes some discipline to tune yourself up. But every time that you do it, you reap the harvest of it immediately, because you’ve put yourself in a whole different world. You’re vibrating with less distortion, as Ra would say. The energy of the Creator can come through you better; your heart is open.
You get that heart open, man, and everything’s alright; it doesn’t matter. One person can walk, one person can’t walk. Well, I’ve got my feet; some people don’t even have their feet. Some people have them amputated because of diabetes or something.
There’s always somebody that’s a lot worse off than you are. There’s no use thinking about the people that are better off because there’s nobody better off than a person with a heart full of love.
Wynn: Thank you.
So, I’m looking here at a couple of quotes from the Ra Material on harvest. I thought I’d just read them and we’ll bring them up for discussion. This was Don Elkins who was making up these questions. Carla was talking about him earlier, and he was really, really smart. He could make up a question and then make up the next question based on the answer to the first question. It was really an interview with Ra; wouldn’t you say that, Carla?
Carla: I would. And the thing of it is if you’ve never heard the Ra speak sometimes they are so hard to understand. It’s like, “What did you say?” Don was so smart; he was very smart and so experienced as a researcher, too, that he was familiar with a lot of different concepts that he would go with them; he would go with Ra.
So, of course it makes the conversation go here and there and everywhere. Yes, he was brilliant, absolutely brilliant—this physicists’ mind, this scientist’s mind, you know, sitting there looking at creation and saying, “Why? What’s going on?” and finding out that some of the answers are actually akin to physics.
Wynn: There are actually many things in the Ra Material that hadn’t been discovered yet, or that you certainly didn’t know about, that other people have brought up. David did a lot of that;
Carla: …So did a lot of people, yes.
Wynn: Yes. There was scientific validation for many of the things.
This is why it’s so important to study this material, because even if it’s hard to understand, even if you read it one paragraph at a time and contemplate it the whole day, it starts to have a residual build-up and influence.
Because this is not a fairy tale, although the first time you hear it, it sounds like a fairy tale. You have to ask yourself, “Where did this come from?” There really is a group soul that’s named Ra? They’re really paying attention to us? They’re really wanting to help us? They honor free will? They answer our requests? You can feel them?
Can you feel Ra around you, Carla?
Carla: All the time.
Wynn: Yes; you can learn to feel them around you. It’s not like somebody sits in your room and you see them but you feel a presence close to you.
It’s very interesting—and I’m pointing this out, that the feeling of the Ra group around you is quite different than the feeling of the Elohim group. The Elohim group is far-away and visiting and the Ra group is, for me, like close-in. When I talk about it, I start to feel them.
They just say, “I’ll show them; here we are”. Some of you may have felt sensations around your body. You can start to explore the possibility that maybe that was them and maybe they were visiting you.
Here; I’m going to read some of their words:
The Ra group, through Carla, used the word ‘harvest’. Of course, you’ll know Jesus used the word ‘harvest’; “There will be a harvest”. Personally I don’t like the word ‘harvest’; I resisted that when I first read it because it sounds like you’re wheat in the field and somebody is going to cut you. I like the word ‘graduation’, but what they’re really saying…
I understand the word ‘harvest’ because it means actually that your Light energy is going above the veil where it’s compressed. You’re visible to these higher beings when you’re above that. It’s one of the things that happens when you have a spiritual gathering, any kind of real spiritual gathering.
This is a spiritual gathering. The fact that we’re gathering and coalescing energies is allowing us to expand so we become visible to the higher realms. We are not buried in the dark shadows that can hold this planet in check. So understanding the word ‘harvest’ there:
“Am I to understand the harvest will occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?”
“I am Ra.” That’s the way Carla would always answer when they would speak through here; “this is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time-space. This is an appropriate, probable, possible time-space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at the time will be included in the harvest.”
Now, one of the things that a lot of people question is: Does that mean this is going to be an event that happens all at once? Is this going to be like boom, there’s the harvest? Here are the people who graduated and here are the people who are left behind?
Do you have any comments on that, Carla?
Carla: I think that a lot of people have been all too influenced, if they’re interested in the subject, by people who wanted to take some of this important idea and sort of plaster them over themselves, as if they could be part of it. There’s the ego working there, I think, but be that as it may; there have been a lot of people that felt that there was going to be a discontinuous harvest, like boom, poof; we’re out of here.
There were a lot of people on our radio show on Friday night that were really disappointed because nothing physical happened. It’s a metaphysical event; why should anything physical happen at a metaphysical event? I had been saying this for years; because that’s the way the Ra material comes down.
It’s just that there will always be people that want to make it a more dramatic thing than it really is or make it dramatic in a way that people can understand more easily. It’s not that easy to understand that this is a spiritual event.
I do think that probably those who are not in incarnation at this time have chosen, at this time, to walk the steps of Light and remove themselves from the cycle of reincarnation. The exceptions to this are probably those who are involved in working with people that are in incarnation, as their masters; their unseen advisors.
There are a lot of spiritual advisors that are devoted to helping the people here. I don’t think that they’re going to walk the steps of Light until the last person that’s a real 3rd density person closes the door and then they’ll say, “Okay, my work is done; I’m going too”.
I think a lot of people in the inner realms, in-between incarnations, chose at this time to go ahead and walk the steps of Light and graduate. I can feel a cleanliness about the inner realms that wasn’t there previously; I think that has happened. But that’s just a sense of things and I’m not at all psychic. So somebody like Daphne or Terry, both of them are much more psychic than I am and are much more able to speak on this subject.
Wynn: Yes. I had asked a lot of questions about this. One of the things that I believe has happened in the past few years is that this idea of having an event happen all at once is very compelling. From a marketing standpoint, it kind of creates a lot of urgency. So if you can create to someone else that you have the keys to this all-at-once event, then it’s not too hard to sell them something.
There are a lot of people that channel as we’ve said and as I have learned, because someone uses the word ‘ascension’, because they use the word ‘Love and Light’, because they use the word ‘Mother-Father God’, does not mean they’re positive. The negative knows exactly how to mimic the words to grab you.
A lot of times people hear these words and then they think everyone that is using them is the same; we are all on the same boat; we’re all on the same platform;
Carla: Vibration.
Wynn: but we’re not. In my questions about how this worked, what I was told was that, “Yes, it would be possible for some people to leave this realm with their bodies in an all-at-once event”. But in order to do that, all of your chakras had to be slightly more than half open.
You see, what happens is; the link is made in the higher realm to you physical body. Your energy has to be flowing into the other realms for that to occur. If your energy is not flowing there, your body can’t get pulled through. So, it was said there was only going to be a very small percentage group of people that would qualify for this all-at-one event. But there would be many, many, many people who would qualify for what they termed an ‘astral ascension’, which meant you would die a physical death and your heart chakra was open. And because your heart chakra was open, your energy would move into the astral. They would have various angels and beings working with you and complete it so that you finished third density and didn’t have to come back.
There was one other possibility that came up; this is a rather unusual one. Did that make sense to you, Carla?
Carla: Sure.
Wynn: The other possibility was that the negative really, really took control down here; they started to win. According to my information, there has always been the possibility that the negative could win at the lower levels because there’s a vote taking place. I do believe there are enough people of positive predisposition that you could never say the negative has won now. But, the tables could turn. They could manage to sneak through some event that created so much fear that even though the energy is flowing down here the people couldn’t receive it because of the fear.
I do know that the positive Sources in other realms are working very hard to prevent any event like that from happening. I could say they’re all human, but that would not be the right way to say it. Things slip through the cracks. It’s not so cut-and-dry, the future. Although some people say it is, and I hope they’re right. The people that are saying, “The negative is defeated; there’s nothing to worry about”, I hope that’s correct.
Carla: I think it is correct. But I think that there was a time of question and that is simply because people began to be willing to blow each other up to the point where a planetary event might occur that would blow everybody up; and there would be nothing left.
Wynn: Right.
Carla: And, that would definitely create such an atmosphere of fear that we would be out of it. It’s not that there would be somebody from the outside coming in and creating fear; it would be that our military thought it was so important to step up to the plate and bomb the other side that we would bomb them and they would bomb us and everything would turn into what Carl Sagan used to call a ‘nuclear winter.’ There would be no people left.
Wynn: Right.
Carla: That would be a way of living. So that would definitely create an atmosphere of complete fear. It is possible, but I don’t think it’s going to happen at this point.
Wynn: What was said is that if things came to that point, the higher groups, particularly the Ra group, would be pulling people out of their bodies that qualified, before their souls disintegrated.
Carla: They didn’t have to qualify; everybody qualifies.
Wynn: I guess everybody qualifies; I don’t know. But what I mean is…
Carla: They wouldn’t let anybody’s Light body be destroyed.
Wynn: Right.
Carla: A physical body, that’s easy to have another one of those. The Light body, that’s something else again. In the case of Maldek, at the point at which the planet bombed itself out of existence, they did pull the entire population off the planet and save the souls.
But they were in a knot of fear; this is Ra Material stuff; they were in a knot of fear that took thousands and thousands of years to begin to loosen so that anybody could talk to them and relieve their anxieties. It was a very long process for those of Maldek.
Wynn: Now, I hope you guys are hearing who this Ra group actually is, okay? Because I know, at one point, if I imagined a group of ascended beings, I would think of a bunch of guys sitting around at a table with beards and bringing all this wisdom into this planet. The Ra group brings immense wisdom if you read the Ra Material.
To go a little deeper, they are energies that can move souls from one place to another. They can help contribute to the evolution of your soul. They are very much involved, as I get it, with this entire process, more so than the Elohim group. They are paying attention. There are millions and millions, or billions, of Ra group members. So they have plenty of help up there for as much as is needed or asked for down here. They’re not too busy. They only live to do this.
We are honored to be the recipients; you don’t have to be the recipients of their words to get their help; you only need to have a high intent and an open heart. The value of getting their direct counsel over and over again, the Source that’s in charge of the administration of this entire event that’s occurring--you guys are here and listening, count your blessings. It is rare to find this; it’s rarer to recognize it. If you’re here, you’ve done both. I wanted to just underscore that so you don’t miss what’s actually happening.
I’m speaking for myself here; Carla, anything you want to say on that?
Carla: I think that the confederation of angels and planets and the service of the infinite Creator of which Ra is only a small part are all…
Wynn: It’s bigger than Ra.
Carla: …are all devoted to the prospect of helping planet earth. They call themselves, sometimes, the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow, because they feel the sorrow of planet earth; they feel the many, many people out there that have gone, “Lord, what has happened here? What can we do? What is going on? I don’t understand all this difficulty. It should be a much more beautiful life than this. Look at how beautiful the creation is. Why can’t we create, in our human way; why can’t we create that kind of beauty?”
We really do. If you look anywhere, you see people that just would do anything for you; give you the shirt off of their back. You see women that have taken care of their husbands when they were crippled, or vice versa, husbands that have taken care of their wives. People are so loving and it’s so wide-spread. We have tremendous amounts to be thankful for.
But in terms of those unseen friends, there is not just the Ra group, not just even the confederation, but all the angels. It all sounds a little silly if you don’t believe in angels and if you think that extra-terrestrials are not there and they don’t speak through people.
But, I’ll tell you something: I have been channeling for something like forty years, and I could not possibly, in my best day, if it was the best day every day for forty years, I couldn’t move that kind of volume of information through. I don’t have that kind of mind; I’m really, I think, pretty shallow, compared to the kind of thing that comes through me when I’m channeling. I like to read romances; I like to go shopping for clothes. I am not what you’d call your real dedicated spiritual person that is going to be able to make this kind of stuff up herself.
So I personally am convinced that the angels and the planets do exist and that they are very real presences in our lives. And that what we need to do is open ourselves to that possibility and let ourselves turn to the silence just a little bit every day and sit in that silence and allow the feelings that are within us to express. More and more we will begin to feel the fullness of spirit and the incredible richness that waits for us when we say, “I’m knocking; please open the door to me”.
Wynn: Do you know what? Terry and Daphne have been patiently in the background, supporting the energy. Here’s my suggestion for finishing this talk off: First, let’s see if Terry and Daphne want to contribute anything and then, one of the most amazing shows that I did with Carla, it was a number of months ago and I always wanted to do this again, is where Carla started casting angels out into the audience to work with people.
Carla: People were asking for them. There was a woman that called in to ask for an angel. So I offered her; I said, “Okay” and I went within to my favorite angel. I said, “Well, Rosie, do you have an angel for this person?” She said “Okay, his name is George.” I went back on the air and I said, “Okay, here’s your angel. Now remember you have to ask for this angel; his name is George.” This lady wrote in; I don’t know if it was a dog; her favorite dog that had just died; his name was George. So it blew her away.
Wynn: Well, would you like to do that tonight? Do you have the energy to do it?
Carla: Well, if somebody needs an angel. We can’t just cast out angels; that’s not the way the thing works. If somebody has a need for an angel and then they can ask. Then, when they ask I’ll be glad to consult Rosie.
Wynn: We’ll open the line. We’ll go for…
Carla: But, first talk to Daphne and Terry; because they’re far wiser than I am, I am sure. They deserve the chance.
Wynn: They have angels to cast out to people. But, we’ve never done it and you did it and it was quite successful.
One of the things Carla and I have been discussing—if you send me an email it’ll encourage us to do this—is to do a series of maybe a month’s worth of Saturday sessions two hours long, where we take the Ra Material apart like we’re doing here and try to make it more accessible. I’m sure we can include some angel-throwing on that. We would charge for it; not a lot, but charge for the whole series. Send me an email if that is appealing to you.
We’re not going to charge a lot; we never charge a lot for this stuff, but charge something to justify spending four Saturday mornings, two hours to do it.
Daphne and Terry – Daphne, would you like to share anything?
Daphne: I’d like to thank Carla for being here and for heralding in our 2013 season; Carla, it’s so wonderful. You’re such an inspiration; you’re such a bed-rock. For me, you have been steadfast. I’d like to just acknowledge and send my heart-felt love and my own personal appreciation to you. God bless you, my sister.
Carla: I appreciate that; thank you so much. God bless you too.
Wynn: And Terry?
Terry: Yes. I really love hearing what happened back then because I only heard about it from a distance before. I like hearing about the things, too, even before that about the Ra Material and about Don. I watched a video and he’s really amazing. Carla laid down a track that helped ground this whole thing. So I’d like to thank her.
Carla: Bless you. I love you.
Wynn: Alright. Now does anyone want to volunteer?
Carla, when they volunteer to have an angel cast towards them, should they give a reason why they want it or just ask for it?
Carla: No, I think almost all of us need help in feeling safe; that feeling of safety that doesn’t come from the outside, feeling safe in this world and feeling like somebody really, really, really loves them. That is what these angels do; they don’t do anything but that.
They want to love you; they want to help you feel safe. They want to be with you. The need to be asked; they’re very much free-will oriented people. They need to be asked not just once, but every day: Will you be with me? Please be with me. And, thank you so much.
They need to be asked so that they don’t infringe on free will. Once they’re asked, the feeling of love and safety that they offer is just very intense. I don’t think there’s a soul in the world that doesn’t have some reason to want to feel that.
Wynn: Okay. Let me open the lines up, then I’m going to close them so people have to *6.
Gijs: They’re open; you got *6 right now.
Morgan: Wynn? It’s Morgan in California. I’m here.
Wynn: Do you want an angel thrown your way from Carla?
Morgan: Absolutely! Oh, what a gift!
Wynn: Carla, she shouldn’t say what she wants it for? She just says she wants one.
Carla: No, that’s not necessary.
Morgan: In my mind, I believe that this was meant to be. Carla, I would be honored to have whatever you can send me. I was even going to call and ask if you do readings.
Carla: I do readings. Not just now, because of the pain. I believe that will get better.
Morgan: This is the first time I’ve heard you and I am so impressed with your depth of soul and your honesty and your caring. If you were to send me a bobby-pin, I would be honored.
Carla: I love it! Okay, let me ask Rosie here. Hang on; I’m going to get in the inner. Alright, Rosie is going to send you a red-haired angel; his name is Morgan.
Morgan: That runs in my family. Wow! Now I know it’s real. Oh, wow. I’m not kidding.
Carla: He’d be delighted to be with you, he’d be happy.
Morgan: Does the angel have a name I can call it?
Carla: Morgan.
Morgan: Yes.
Carla: That’s it.
Wynn: That’s her name.
Carla: He was 25 and he was taken at an early time. He chose to become an angel. That’s a possibility if you don’t want ever to incarnate again. He chose to be an angel so that he could do this kind of work.
Morgan: I’m honored. I will ask for him every day and every night.
Carla: Good, good. You will feel him.
Morgan: What blessing!
Carla: …. lean into it.
Morgan: What a blessing! Thank you, Carla. Thank you so much. I’m going to say a prayer and light a little candle for you for whatever you want.
Carla: God bless. I just want love to abound; that’s what I’m here for.
Morgan: Thank you.
Carla: Let it flow through me and let it flow through us all.
I need to go Wynn, because I’ve got a date with a husband. He’s been patiently waiting.
Wynn: That’s our only angel for the day, then.
Carla: The only angel for today.
Morgan: I’m honored; thank you.
Wynn: Alright.
Carla: I’m sorry, Wynn. God bless you; next time.
Wynn: You guys that want angels, email me if you’d like those Saturday sessions. We’ll certainly include some angel sharing as part of the session. I’m sorry we didn’t start it earlier. I know I had everyone’s hopes up. Morgan was the first at the gate. Congratulations, Morgan.
Carla: We’ll do it.
Morgan: And honored to be there. Thank you.
Wynn: I’m honored to have Carla here.
Morgan: And Daphne, yes.
Wynn: Daphne and Terry.
Carla: And Terry, God bless you both.
Wynn: This show has been our ongoing series. Morgan, remember that we have a whole bunch of Carla talks on thespiritchannel.net that you can download and listen to.
Morgan: Okay, yes I will.
Wynn: If you resonate with Carla, you’ll get a lot out of them, because we have always a wonderful energy in our interchanges.
Morgan: Absolutely. She has reached the highest of human-hood, I think.
Carla: Oh, right, in between my sci-fi and my romances. Let’s face it: I’m a bozo!
But, thank you so much. I know what you’re saying and I do love you very much.
Goodbye everybody. God bless.
Wynn: Everyone’s open if you want to say goodbye to Carla.
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